More Chaos Counts-As: Horsemen of the Apocalypse


This is kind of a continuation of the conversation Thor and I were having on a similar Chaos counts-as post on my blog over at Brink’s Chaos Theory.   In my Chaos dreaming I also came up with the idea of having a Four Horsemen kind of unit and tried to figure out how to pull it off.  Looking at the two codices, the Daemons book has more possibilities for this, having a few Cavalry units to pick from.  Specifically, the Bloodcrushers and Fiends seem best to me (though Seekers of Slaanesh would work too, but aren’t as impressive). Bloodcrushers are Cav with WS, BS, and S 5, take 3 wounds, deliver a base of 3 attacks, and are daemons of Khorne, giving them furious charge too.  They’d be appropriately badass, as I’m imagining the Horsemen having much more power than meets the eye.  The leader can also buy daemonic rewards to add power and character.  They cost a pretty point or two, however, at 45 per model. Fiends are faster, having I6 and running an extra 6″, but aren’t as strong.  They have WS, S, and T of 4, but also take 3 wounds and deliver 3 attacks each which are Rending (as daemons of Slaanesh).  They can’t buy gear or have a character in the unit, but they have special powers that reduce the Initiative of models charged by -5 and hinder psykers within 12″ with a -1 to their psychic tests.  I imagine these abilities described as an “Aura of the Apocalypse”, the feel of THE END radiating from the dreadful horsemen.  They are a slightly cheaper unit too, at 35 pts per model. The Seekers option is way cheaper (12 pts each), and they can take rewards, but they’re not nearly as impressive stats-wise and only take 1 wound to kill.  (Plus, I have a unit of Seekers already if I want to use them.)


Caught up in inspiration, I found a box of Chaos Marauder Horsemen on ebay cheap and impulse-bought them.  I also considered the Chaos Knights (above) but while the Knights are much more daemonic looking, they’re just too… busy for me.  There’s too much going on on those models for my tastes.  I like the simpler look of the Marauder horsemen, they actually look like Horsemen.  I like the simpler and more human–and therefore creepier–look, personally. I’ve also lately been inspired to thin down my Warhammer collection to just Chaos 40K and maybe sell of the rest.  Moving to Japan next year is a great excuse to get rid of some of my stuff, especially models I bought and know I’ll likely never use.  Though we’ll see if that happens.  Might be good timing to sell off my Marines but I don’t know if I can actually part with my Eldar… J. D. Brink Brink’s Chaos Theory Fugitives of Purgatory

  • I think the Marauders would work pretty well for Seekers. They just don’t work for Fiends in my opinion. However, those Knights I feel would be perfect for Blood Crushers. All that extra armor and bulk fits in with what a Crusher is.

    • JD Brink

      I agree, the lighter cavalry would fit seekers well and the heavily armored monstrous guys would fit better the idea of bloodcrushers. But i’m thinking more of stripping away the labels and images of the established models and just using the stats and rules and point values. Basically, a “counts-as” unit with my own fluff and terminology. Though honestly… it’s mostly just an excuse to get more cool fantasy miniatures in my 40K force. :)

      • I like the Knights’ horses better. The one with the skull would be Death, the tusked one War, the one in the middle famine, and the one on the left for Conquest. If you’re going with Pestilence over Conquest you could use the second from the left. War and Conquest could be based on the Knight models but the others would definitely need to be based on something else. At least that’s how I’d do it.

        You could also try interpreting each of the four biblical horsemen as representing a different Chaos god. War sent with his sword and red horse to take peace from the earth seems a pretty obvious fit for Khorne. Conquest, the crowned conqueror with his bow bent on subjecting all to his will is a decent fit for power hungry Tzeench. It’s often debated whether Conquest represents evil, the AntiChrist, or possibly Christ or the Holy Spirit. This duplicitous interpretation also fits the deceptive and manipulative aspects of Tzeench. Death, the pale rider on his sickly green horse would be Nurgle. Slaanesh as Famine seems like a stretch, but the bible states that Famine would cause staple foods to become exorbitantly expensive luxury goods (oil and wine) would be unaffected. Some have interpreted this to represent the excess of the wealthy causing extreme hardship for the lower classes. In this light the Lord of Excess seems a fitting bearer of Famine’s mantle.

        Ok, maybe I’ve already put too much thought into this idea. That just means I like it! It sounds like an interesting project!

        • JD Brink

          Thanks, and you have put just enough thought into it to make it great! I like your ideas! You’re right, the horses on the knights are better and more fearsome and would be cooler. really ideally i’d have models somewhere between the two but… already spent the money on marauders (and got them yesterday) so i’ll play with those. I wuold really like to make 4 of them by name and customize them and you’ve given me some great ideas to work with. Don’t know WHEN this is going to happen yet, but i’ll let you guys know when it does. right now i’m trying to customize a chaos biker gang and it’s slow going too. if i can pull off the teeny tiny greenstuff skills necessary i’m going to try and make a flaming skull head on the leader, kinda Ghost Rider style.

  • khorneinquisitor

    I personally use the knight bodies on Crusher mounts. It’s a good conversion that, with the appropriate Ebay bitz, time, and GS works out to a great product and slightly less expensive. If cost isn’t a HUGE factor, check out these:

    Oh, also, for the seekers I would suggest the WoC Hellstriders box. More believable and you get some very slaaneshi options.

    For fiends what I have seen before is the use of cold ones.

    • JD Brink

      Thanks for the tips! I do like the new Chaso fantasy cavalry models and some cool extra bits would be nice.

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